In 1903, just a few years before the date you claim Christ returned invisibly Russel wrote, “When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history.” (Watchtower, May 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 Reprints)
As he stated it would be a "ultimate realization of dreams", is this where you got the teaching about Christ's return?
I know this is an old publication but the date of 1914 that you hold so dearly in your teachings was arrived at by Russell just 11 years earlier through his study of the stars and and the great pyramid, and this date still stands today.
Just as an estimate, how many of Russell's teachings from the 1800s and early 1900s do you reject or accept today? 90% reject, and 10% accept? What is your estimate?
Just a little more about Russel's work.......
"In the passages of the Great Pyramid of Gizeh the agreement of one or two measurements with the present-truth chronology might seem accidental, but the correspondency of dozens of measurements proves that the same God designed both pyramid and plan..." (Watchtower 1922 June 15 p.187. This reference is not available on 1993/1995/1999 Watchtower CD-Rom)|||The Organization is blood thirsty. Members don't care what their leaders have done or said in the past. Thriving on deception.They move on and find other hearts/minds to deceive with their teachings. Blood thirsty are their leaders.Who blind their followers, making sure they never discover light.
Their past %26amp; present false teachings doesn't phase them. Their leaders hunt for blood. As angels of light.
oppose their teaching and they will flee until. . . another convenient time.
**members have no regard from where their teachings originate. Darkness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjtBq5mG_…
all we can do is pray 4 that their eyes/hearts open.thats all. it is not in our hands whose hearts will be receptive. God will pull them out if he chooses to do so. his sheep hear his voice %26amp; he knows who they are.|||Hi Buddy!
How are you? You still trying to discredit the witnesses?
Not doing too good of a job, huh?
well, need to answer your other misleading questions too....
See ya!|||you bet it did.|||I just had to respond to you after reading Abernathy the dulls answer. I found it so funny and ridiculous.
So is he saying the May1st watchtower is different (contradicts ) the article you quote ? then goes on to say W.T publications don't say that today -what an admission to make !
The funniest bit from him is about early JWs saying quirky things ..if its truth its..truth is truth -- can you or any sensible person understand what he means ?
Not once did he say truth comes from Gods word ony but if they said it was truth is must be truth.
Then finishes off by saying JWs today hold a different position about the truth !
If you have ever had a one on one conversation with JWs ( like I have done ) you will find after a while they will start talking like this.
Just a note on Russell and his study of the great pyramids their is evidence that he was a 33 degree Freemason which would explain his obsession with this and Egyptology.|||1914 is a biblical prophecy, quite complicated, every time I need to explain it, I gotta go look at the references again but you know what? Forget about that, forget about Russell and his "astrology". Let's try to use the rest of the Bible and some common sense.
The "end of days" was supposed to start when J.C would return and when the devil would be kicked out of the heaven and come down to earth and start creating even more chaos because at that time he would know it wouldn't have much longer to live, so far we agree? The Bible says so in Matthew 24: 3-14 and Revelations 12: 9-12. Now look at how the end of days are described in Matthew 24 and tell me if it doesn't describe with exquisite precision the era in which we live in, let's take a few example of what it says: "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places." (V6, 7). If this doesn't describe our era more than any other era...I mean, of course they had been wars before, of course they had been earthquakes before, and famines as well...but nobody can argue that it just went crazy from 1914 on. Wars and famines in the 20th century alone (from 1914 on) caused more damaged than it had caused in the history of humanity combined before that. And who can forget the recent series of earthquakes? So all of that, coincidence? i think not.
Also, V12 says: "Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold." Yeah, that describes out era alright. i mean, just read the whole thing and you will realize it describes exactly the era in which we live, as well as 2 Timothy 3: 1-5. So wherever Russell got that date, I think he was spot on.
edit: dude, you do realize that's not the point right? of course origins matter, you want the explanation to that prophecy? I mean you don't need it from me anyways, if you have access to Watchtower Library then you can look for it your self can't you? So why you asking? You just tryna bash on us and then you expect something from us? come on. besides, it's funny how you skipped the whole thing I said and just focused on what you thought was wrong. Why don't you focus on the topic of discussion instead??|||They just don't seem to believe it when Jesus says that NO ONE knows the time or the hour except the Father. Bible chronology is much like believing in Hollywood's films and making a religion built on a myth much like ancient Greek mythology. The Jehovah's Witnesses built a religion around a false concept in Bible Chronology that mere man predicts the "second coming" or as they like to say "presence" of Jesus. They made the prediction in 1876 that in 1874 Jesus' was present HERE ON EARTH but it was INVISIBLE. Prediction dates came and went and changes were made due to an error (right) in the math. But still no Jesus, but they say NOW, that Jesus was not really here but he turned his attention towards earth and took up his Kingly duties in 1914. Six different explanations and changes to the very meaning of "Generation" and date changes and so forth to fix problems or put the finger in the damn until a better explanation came alone. It it always did in the form of "new light" progressive truth or new truths, in other word different excuses to cover up the lie that perpetuated beyond their own understanding. So for now they have to protect the lie until a different excuse can be formulated to explain away the lie but until the Day of the Lord they just disown it and cover it up.|||The May 1st 1903 Watchtower tells a different story than the one you are trying to push, namely, that the quotation you provide is in fact also a quotation from another source, and not a product of any Watchtower writer.
Basically the article says: "We don't agree with astrology, but isn't it interesting that some astrologer said this about 1914 . . . "
Of course it was wrong for them to quote an astrologer. No JW publication would do that today. But JWs have always known that there were a few quirky things in earlier Watchtowers, things to be ironed out (but nothing to match the grotesque quirkiness of Christendom). At the time, the Bible students' position was "If it's the truth, it's the truth, regardless of the source." That is, in fact, a true and logical statement, since the truth is indeed the truth. However, it doesn't work that way in the real word, and there are concepts such as "political correctness." You have to be careful with what you say and how you say it. JWs hold a different position now, and do not quote from such sources.
I don't know how anyone could attribute this to Russell. For one, Russell wasn't the sole writer of Watchtower articles - there were other contributors. Second, your quote was an acknowledged quote in quotation marks in the original article. Either you're being willfully deceiving, or someone else presented this quote to you and you didn't check the source.|||Every family has somebody who does crazy things because they do not know any better. I forget what religion(s) Russell had before forming the Bible Students, but like all people, he brought baggage with him as we all do.
The good part is as they learned what the Bible really teaches, they made the necessary changes instead of holding on to doctrines just because his forefathers believed them.
It is amazing that they still wound up with the correct year. Doing the Bible math for when the Gentile Times would end, it is exactly 1914. It was evident looking back, that all the world changed in that year. World wars instead of local ones. Earthquakes drastically increasing in volume and scale. Food shortages and planet wide diseases spreading despite modern technology. This gives evidence that by that year Jesus had been given his throne and accomplished the act of kicking Satan out of heaven, down to the earth. Certainly evil and destruction picked up drastically.
Just as certainly, it must have had Jehovah's backing to get that right despite his dealing with astrology and such. We know now,as they learned shortly after, that astrology is one of the things Jehovah is very against as were other hold over beliefs they all had at that time all just beginning to come out of bondage to false religions.
Humans must gradually learn things. Not get a brain dump like a computer. We just do not operate that way. That is why both Jesus and Jehovah are patient with us. Allowing the small mistakes that can and will be corrected later to pass by. Just as Jesus still used his disciples despite their humans failings, so to Jehovah has used Russell and the movement he started at the time Jehovah wanted it started and ready to move at a coming time.
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